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A new year and a new month means it’s time for a brand new episode of Talking With Our Mouths Full — The Endless Simmer Podcast. In episode two, we’re speaking with one of the world’s most interesting eaters. Shaun Ellis, a wolf behavior expert based in England, spent two years living with a pack of wild wolves. Shaun had tons of crazy experiences, but we were only interested in one thing — what’s it like to plop down for dinner next to a pack of hungry wolves and rip into a freshly-hunted piece of game?

Click play above to hear Shaun tell us all about eating with wolves, how the human body responds to consuming just-killed wild game, and what it’s like to have momma wolf regurgitate some yummy deer meat directly into your mouth! A little gross, sure, but Shaun gained some incredibly interesting insight into not just wolves, but human beings and our complex relationship with food.

For more info on Shaun Ellis,visit his website and pick up a copy of his book, The Man Who Lives with Wolves.

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Talking With Our Mouths Full is produced by Adam Pogoff of Boutique Radio.

Previously on ES: Turkey Talk Podcast