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> <channel><title>Comments on: ES Local: Dining in DC&#8217;s (Not So) Gaybourhood</title> <atom:link href="http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2009/11/10/es-local-dining-in-dcs-not-so-gaybourhood/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2009/11/10/es-local-dining-in-dcs-not-so-gaybourhood/</link> <description>- recipes, restaurants, food travel and everything edible</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:29:40 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: ES Local: The DC Gay Valentine&#8217;s Day Guide &#124; Endless Simmer</title><link>http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2009/11/10/es-local-dining-in-dcs-not-so-gaybourhood/comment-page-1/#comment-57602</link> <dc:creator>ES Local: The DC Gay Valentine&#8217;s Day Guide &#124; Endless Simmer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:46:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.endlesssimmer.com/?p=8664#comment-57602</guid> <description>[...] leave a restaurant when either the owner isn’t happy or other customers feel uncomfortable. Yes, the gay community has its own restaurants, but there are not enough seats to fill every gay person in the city, especially this [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] leave a restaurant when either the owner isn’t happy or other customers feel uncomfortable. Yes, the gay community has its own restaurants, but there are not enough seats to fill every gay person in the city, especially this [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LC</title><link>http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2009/11/10/es-local-dining-in-dcs-not-so-gaybourhood/comment-page-1/#comment-55663</link> <dc:creator>LC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:15:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.endlesssimmer.com/?p=8664#comment-55663</guid> <description>Halo. Green Lantern...If you agree that the &quot;un-gaying&quot; of the neighborhood is happening which, as a resident of a few very long blocks from 14th street, I&#039;m not sure I do - doesn&#039;t that signal that glbt folks are more comfortable in mainstream bars and the straights are more comfortable in traditionally glbt places and there is not so much of a need for the &quot;marines of real estate&quot; to stake out areas in shady neighborhoods of major metro areas because they are  marginalized and likely to get their asses kicked in straight bars? I mean larger forces and all that but maybe we&#039;re all getting along a little better. Except for the DC/NoVa divide apparently: &quot;I commented that it seemed like the one area where young NoVas may feel most comfortable starting out in the District (or perhaps it’s where they are just before they become middle-aged NoVas).&quot; I&#039;m not even sure what this means but am pretty sure - ouch.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halo. Green Lantern&#8230;If you agree that the &#8220;un-gaying&#8221; of the neighborhood is happening which, as a resident of a few very long blocks from 14th street, I&#8217;m not sure I do &#8211; doesn&#8217;t that signal that glbt folks are more comfortable in mainstream bars and the straights are more comfortable in traditionally glbt places and there is not so much of a need for the &#8220;marines of real estate&#8221; to stake out areas in shady neighborhoods of major metro areas because they are  marginalized and likely to get their asses kicked in straight bars? I mean larger forces and all that but maybe we&#8217;re all getting along a little better. Except for the DC/NoVa divide apparently: &#8220;I commented that it seemed like the one area where young NoVas may feel most comfortable starting out in the District (or perhaps it’s where they are just before they become middle-aged NoVas).&#8221; I&#8217;m not even sure what this means but am pretty sure &#8211; ouch.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Good Doctor</title><link>http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2009/11/10/es-local-dining-in-dcs-not-so-gaybourhood/comment-page-1/#comment-55659</link> <dc:creator>The Good Doctor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:25:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.endlesssimmer.com/?p=8664#comment-55659</guid> <description>14th Street isn&#039;t 17th Street. A commercial corridor that, like U Street, was burned to the ground and came back to life slowly and with the efforts of a number of brave pioneers, 14th Street does what any similar neighborhood does - it attracts artists and hipsters and gays, then fringe developers, then mainstream developers. At some point the transition to yuppiedom will be complete on every block from P to W, and we&#039;re mostly there already.
I would fall short of suggesting that the gay population in DC is the major part of that fringe of artists and hipsters that drove development and change on 14th street. They&#039;re part of it, but not the sine qua non. Bar Pilar and Saint-Ex are not and have not ever been gay bars, nor has the Black Cat. Everywhere on 14th Street until you hit U is gay-friendly but not explcitly gay-centered, with the exception of Playbill, Universal Gear, etc, and saying that Logan is a gayborhood is probably overstating the case. Saying 14th street is a gayborhood that&#039;s being invaded by non-gay restaurants is close to ridiculous.
I am far more afraid of the encroachment of half-assed, imitative yuppiedom in my neighborhood, with Viriginia-based chains coming to compete with Cork, resto-lounges that threaten to turn an interesting area into a reincarnation of the 18th street clubland, and, well, Bang and Olufson.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14th Street isn&#8217;t 17th Street. A commercial corridor that, like U Street, was burned to the ground and came back to life slowly and with the efforts of a number of brave pioneers, 14th Street does what any similar neighborhood does &#8211; it attracts artists and hipsters and gays, then fringe developers, then mainstream developers. At some point the transition to yuppiedom will be complete on every block from P to W, and we&#8217;re mostly there already.</p><p>I would fall short of suggesting that the gay population in DC is the major part of that fringe of artists and hipsters that drove development and change on 14th street. They&#8217;re part of it, but not the sine qua non. Bar Pilar and Saint-Ex are not and have not ever been gay bars, nor has the Black Cat. Everywhere on 14th Street until you hit U is gay-friendly but not explcitly gay-centered, with the exception of Playbill, Universal Gear, etc, and saying that Logan is a gayborhood is probably overstating the case. Saying 14th street is a gayborhood that&#8217;s being invaded by non-gay restaurants is close to ridiculous.</p><p>I am far more afraid of the encroachment of half-assed, imitative yuppiedom in my neighborhood, with Viriginia-based chains coming to compete with Cork, resto-lounges that threaten to turn an interesting area into a reincarnation of the 18th street clubland, and, well, Bang and Olufson.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Scott</title><link>http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2009/11/10/es-local-dining-in-dcs-not-so-gaybourhood/comment-page-1/#comment-55576</link> <dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:46:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.endlesssimmer.com/?p=8664#comment-55576</guid> <description>Logan Tavern &amp; Commissary are both gay owned.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logan Tavern &amp; Commissary are both gay owned.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ODB</title><link>http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2009/11/10/es-local-dining-in-dcs-not-so-gaybourhood/comment-page-1/#comment-55569</link> <dc:creator>ODB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:45:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.endlesssimmer.com/?p=8664#comment-55569</guid> <description>Well, St. Ex and BarPilar rate minimally on my &quot;GLBT presence&quot; scale and both have been bridge and tunnel dominated at different points in their histories, so I don&#039;t think there&#039;s as much to your counter-examples.
On the other side, the post seems to imply that establishments like Churchkey are not serving the neighborhood demographic. That&#039;s problematic in terms of both the realities of the neighborhood and the intentions of Churchkey.
To begin with, the southern extreme of the 14th street corridor is not and never was all that gay in terms of who lives around there. The majority of the residential population south of Rhode Island is dominated by the high-rise (by DC standards) condos and apartment buildings. Having just toured many of these places in my search for housing, I can tell you that these residences are, well, straight. In fact, I commented that it seemed like the one area where young NoVas may feel most comfortable starting out in the District (or perhaps it&#039;s where they are just before they become middle-aged NoVas).
That said, the hope is, of course, that all of these restaurants would be embraced by the entire neighborhood and would themselves embrace the entire neighborhood. However, there is some crowding-out going on at Churchkey right now - new places tend to attract the affluent who are willing to make the trip at first - and many of us who live in the neighborhood, gay or straight, are not happy about this, but that will change.
When it does change, I would hope that most in the neighborhood understand that none of these restaurants are intending to be, in and of themselves, forces that change the face of the neighborhood. There are, however, a lot of larger forces at work and I do think your comments in the post speak to these as well. However, I don&#039;t think these restaurants are at all &quot;part of the problem&quot;.
A good example to tie all of this together: I walked into Churchkey the other night, past a group of people right at the top of the stairs and one girl yelled to the whole group &quot;oh my God! He&#039;s from Falls Church too!!!&quot;. However, later that night, they played Bell &amp; Sebastian&#039;s &quot;State I&#039;m In&quot;. Yes, we can all just get along.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, St. Ex and BarPilar rate minimally on my &#8220;GLBT presence&#8221; scale and both have been bridge and tunnel dominated at different points in their histories, so I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s as much to your counter-examples.</p><p>On the other side, the post seems to imply that establishments like Churchkey are not serving the neighborhood demographic. That&#8217;s problematic in terms of both the realities of the neighborhood and the intentions of Churchkey.</p><p>To begin with, the southern extreme of the 14th street corridor is not and never was all that gay in terms of who lives around there. The majority of the residential population south of Rhode Island is dominated by the high-rise (by DC standards) condos and apartment buildings. Having just toured many of these places in my search for housing, I can tell you that these residences are, well, straight. In fact, I commented that it seemed like the one area where young NoVas may feel most comfortable starting out in the District (or perhaps it&#8217;s where they are just before they become middle-aged NoVas).</p><p>That said, the hope is, of course, that all of these restaurants would be embraced by the entire neighborhood and would themselves embrace the entire neighborhood. However, there is some crowding-out going on at Churchkey right now &#8211; new places tend to attract the affluent who are willing to make the trip at first &#8211; and many of us who live in the neighborhood, gay or straight, are not happy about this, but that will change.</p><p>When it does change, I would hope that most in the neighborhood understand that none of these restaurants are intending to be, in and of themselves, forces that change the face of the neighborhood. There are, however, a lot of larger forces at work and I do think your comments in the post speak to these as well. However, I don&#8217;t think these restaurants are at all &#8220;part of the problem&#8221;.</p><p>A good example to tie all of this together: I walked into Churchkey the other night, past a group of people right at the top of the stairs and one girl yelled to the whole group &#8220;oh my God! He&#8217;s from Falls Church too!!!&#8221;. However, later that night, they played Bell &amp; Sebastian&#8217;s &#8220;State I&#8217;m In&#8221;. Yes, we can all just get along.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: gansie</title><link>http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2009/11/10/es-local-dining-in-dcs-not-so-gaybourhood/comment-page-1/#comment-55554</link> <dc:creator>gansie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:12:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.endlesssimmer.com/?p=8664#comment-55554</guid> <description>hmm. why do you think gays haven&#039;t flocked to this new beer mecca, churchkey/birch and barley, but have accepted other trendy breeder places, like saint ex and bar pilar?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm. why do you think gays haven&#8217;t flocked to this new beer mecca, churchkey/birch and barley, but have accepted other trendy breeder places, like saint ex and bar pilar?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: padrock</title><link>http://www.endlesssimmer.com/2009/11/10/es-local-dining-in-dcs-not-so-gaybourhood/comment-page-1/#comment-55547</link> <dc:creator>padrock</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:47:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.endlesssimmer.com/?p=8664#comment-55547</guid> <description>I mean, MidCity Cafe is probably the gayest place I&#039;ve ever been in DC if that means anything. But how much of an issue is it if there are establishments in a predominantly gay neighborhood that attract straight populations? Is the Hispanic community in Columbia Heights upset about the Red Derby? I feel that there are certainly gay establishments that are known as gay-focused and they aren&#039;t going away any time soon (Nellie&#039;s, for one).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, MidCity Cafe is probably the gayest place I&#8217;ve ever been in DC if that means anything. But how much of an issue is it if there are establishments in a predominantly gay neighborhood that attract straight populations? Is the Hispanic community in Columbia Heights upset about the Red Derby? I feel that there are certainly gay establishments that are known as gay-focused and they aren&#8217;t going away any time soon (Nellie&#8217;s, for one).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
